hazishak
07-18 07:22 PM
what happens when dates retrogress? If my PD is 2000 Jan (assume) and some one else has 2001 Jan (assume) with RDs July/2007 and Mar/2007 respectively and in August 2007 PD cut off date went back to 2000 Feb (assume) then does it mean that 2000 Jan PD is ineligible to get the adjudication before the guy with PD 2001 Jan because the RD is later for this case? Again if the answer to this question is yes then ,when the PD is set at 2000 Feb why are they accepting new AOS apps which satisfy this PD cutoff date because if they process by RD(at all times) they are not likely to consider these for adjudication anyway? Is it just for our benifit that we can get an EAD? If I go down this path I donot understand the purpose of the whole PD in this process.
The thing I am trying to understand is 'if PD is not significant in AOS why is it there at all in the visa bulletin'. If RD overrides the PD at the AOS stage then instead of specifying a PD in the Visa bulletin they can just say that
"We are accepting new AOS applications" and then adjudicate them in the order of the RD.
These are all just my thoughts and am trying to put them together. I may very well be wrong in my basic understanding of this process. Thank you for your previous reply. That was helpful.
In your case you will get the percedence over the 2000 PD. His is PD is not curent at time of processing. If the cut off date is after 2001 which means both are cuurent then the later guy will take precedence since his RD is earlier than your's.
The thing I am trying to understand is 'if PD is not significant in AOS why is it there at all in the visa bulletin'. If RD overrides the PD at the AOS stage then instead of specifying a PD in the Visa bulletin they can just say that
"We are accepting new AOS applications" and then adjudicate them in the order of the RD.
These are all just my thoughts and am trying to put them together. I may very well be wrong in my basic understanding of this process. Thank you for your previous reply. That was helpful.
In your case you will get the percedence over the 2000 PD. His is PD is not curent at time of processing. If the cut off date is after 2001 which means both are cuurent then the later guy will take precedence since his RD is earlier than your's.
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sanam9696
09-14 11:02 AM
Why this fight for EB2 vs EB3..
ideally GC should be given based on one's arrival in US or based on first filing of GC..irrespective of which category u r
keeping that in mind, it doesn't matter, if u r EB2 or EB3 or if u r porting the date..because in either way..one will get GC (luck is still a factor) based on number of years in US or years since GC process started.
given a chance and if permissible under the law, most of us would want to switch to EB1..or even change the birthplace..to avoid this mess..but then it is too difficult to switch to EB1 compared to switching from EB3 to EB2. one would always take the least resistive path and it is right as long as it is not illegal under the current law..(oh..no..don't talk about morality..because when personal interests are at stake..nothing matters..for most of us)
anyway..they have successfully created enough divisions among ourselves EB1,2,3...row...the bright side of eb3 to eb3 porting is..that everyone will become eb2 and then we will stand united..hopefully..but then we will have divisions..eb2 before this year..eb2 originally filed..eb2 with masters from us..eb2 with 5 yrs of experience..eb2 with two masters...eb2 with fair screen..eb2 with black skin..
we have been always like that..divided and self centric and we will remain so and that's why u can see those blood sucking idiots can kill as at their will because we are not indians..but..from up, bihar, gujarat..from castes..region.language..list is endless but then we have never learnt anything from history..that's why ruled by minorities for most of the years in last 2000yrs history..
ideally GC should be given based on one's arrival in US or based on first filing of GC..irrespective of which category u r
keeping that in mind, it doesn't matter, if u r EB2 or EB3 or if u r porting the date..because in either way..one will get GC (luck is still a factor) based on number of years in US or years since GC process started.
given a chance and if permissible under the law, most of us would want to switch to EB1..or even change the birthplace..to avoid this mess..but then it is too difficult to switch to EB1 compared to switching from EB3 to EB2. one would always take the least resistive path and it is right as long as it is not illegal under the current law..(oh..no..don't talk about morality..because when personal interests are at stake..nothing matters..for most of us)
anyway..they have successfully created enough divisions among ourselves EB1,2,3...row...the bright side of eb3 to eb3 porting is..that everyone will become eb2 and then we will stand united..hopefully..but then we will have divisions..eb2 before this year..eb2 originally filed..eb2 with masters from us..eb2 with 5 yrs of experience..eb2 with two masters...eb2 with fair screen..eb2 with black skin..
we have been always like that..divided and self centric and we will remain so and that's why u can see those blood sucking idiots can kill as at their will because we are not indians..but..from up, bihar, gujarat..from castes..region.language..list is endless but then we have never learnt anything from history..that's why ruled by minorities for most of the years in last 2000yrs history..
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WAIT_FOR_EVER_GC
09-04 08:14 PM
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i think there is more smartness needed than luck in the greencard process. If you look at the posts in this thread there are some people that came to usa in 1990s and still waiting, while some that came much later are on their way to citizenship. Some got the eb2 route and are happy and some in eb3 have only gloom before them.
This in my opinion has helped smart folks among us:
- they applied for gc as soon as possible. Those who waited did not give importance to greencard as soon as they started a job in usa are now paying for their mistakes. During the initial days of career i have seen people saying that gc is not important to them etc but when their h1b is about to expire they panic and get desperate for green card.
** even if a person starts the gc process in the initial days, he/she may find another better job than what they are doing now. You can't just stay with a desi blood sucker if your gc process has been started by that company.
Someone who has applied in june 2002 under eb3 never thought that he/she will be stuck for so long. This is because of the amnesty given by the bush administration in 2001.
This is pure luck.**
- before pre-perm era in 2005, smart folks took up jobs in states where labor certification had no backlog. They are now either waiting for citizenship or already citizens. On the other hand people in states like ca, ny etc suffered due to labor backlogs and far from getting greencard in hand.
** in pre-perm era some companies started opening dummy companies in states like delaware, maine, iowa, nebraska .. Etc, and applied labor from those states. Few people were lucky that they could get through this route.
One of my friend got stuck using this route, he had to change the company as uscis had
started questioning the companies.
If you are talking about getting hired by a company who is based out of such states is very difficult because these states do not have much jobs in the information technology sector.
- any company can be good or bad for an individual. It it not a question of consulting vs fortune 500 or small vs big size of a company. Smart folks know what matters them the most when they join a company. When company sees them as a valuable asset, it applies for them. I have seen where company applied for gc as soon as the employee joined it. And i have seen posts where people had to wait for several years before company applied.
** every desi blood sucking company till now tries to take as much advantage as possible and will file the gc when there is no other go.
- people who took advantage of the labor substitution got faster labors. Some could take advantage of eb2 labors and they are very fortunate. This is in no way endorsing the labor substitution rule, but in pre 2007 times nobody was protesting against it. This is a sad reality.
- smart folks took the risk and changed jobs wth eb2 job requirements, so that they can file in eb2. Such folks with 2007 pd are happy today and people with 2003 pds in eb3 will have to wait for a long time.
- if you read posts on this thread, many people have posted that they feel they are being screwed by their employer or lawyer. But hardly anyone has said they took any action against it. This is also a sad reality where we as a community have failed and will continue to suffer.
** what type of action are you talking about. Who has the money to hire another lawyer to fight against these people. The only action one could have taken is to leave the company. But as a matter of fact all the desi companies are the same.
If you are talking about getting hired by big companies then tell me seriously how many companies are willing to go through the paper work and file h1-b. During the 2001 recession tell me how many big companies were hiring.
A drawback of the big companies is that if your are fired you loose your gc process, if you are working for a consulting company you have option of consulting and your greencard process is still intact.
- many folks have said that they thought they were in eb2. But found they are in eb3. This shows another weakness of our community and lack of awareness. Iv forum tries to spread the awareness but unless an individual takes initiative, they will suffer.
Many people were able to file i485 in july 2007 due to iv effort. Imagine a 2004 eb3 india person without ead today? How will he survive a job loss on h1b in a bad economy? We should take a lesson from that event and try for another big push. There is no other shortcut for us. It is shocking to find people on this thread that are in this country for more than 10 years and without a green card. These folks should be the most vocal folks in this effort.
being vocal is another story
-
i think there is more smartness needed than luck in the greencard process. If you look at the posts in this thread there are some people that came to usa in 1990s and still waiting, while some that came much later are on their way to citizenship. Some got the eb2 route and are happy and some in eb3 have only gloom before them.
This in my opinion has helped smart folks among us:
- they applied for gc as soon as possible. Those who waited did not give importance to greencard as soon as they started a job in usa are now paying for their mistakes. During the initial days of career i have seen people saying that gc is not important to them etc but when their h1b is about to expire they panic and get desperate for green card.
** even if a person starts the gc process in the initial days, he/she may find another better job than what they are doing now. You can't just stay with a desi blood sucker if your gc process has been started by that company.
Someone who has applied in june 2002 under eb3 never thought that he/she will be stuck for so long. This is because of the amnesty given by the bush administration in 2001.
This is pure luck.**
- before pre-perm era in 2005, smart folks took up jobs in states where labor certification had no backlog. They are now either waiting for citizenship or already citizens. On the other hand people in states like ca, ny etc suffered due to labor backlogs and far from getting greencard in hand.
** in pre-perm era some companies started opening dummy companies in states like delaware, maine, iowa, nebraska .. Etc, and applied labor from those states. Few people were lucky that they could get through this route.
One of my friend got stuck using this route, he had to change the company as uscis had
started questioning the companies.
If you are talking about getting hired by a company who is based out of such states is very difficult because these states do not have much jobs in the information technology sector.
- any company can be good or bad for an individual. It it not a question of consulting vs fortune 500 or small vs big size of a company. Smart folks know what matters them the most when they join a company. When company sees them as a valuable asset, it applies for them. I have seen where company applied for gc as soon as the employee joined it. And i have seen posts where people had to wait for several years before company applied.
** every desi blood sucking company till now tries to take as much advantage as possible and will file the gc when there is no other go.
- people who took advantage of the labor substitution got faster labors. Some could take advantage of eb2 labors and they are very fortunate. This is in no way endorsing the labor substitution rule, but in pre 2007 times nobody was protesting against it. This is a sad reality.
- smart folks took the risk and changed jobs wth eb2 job requirements, so that they can file in eb2. Such folks with 2007 pd are happy today and people with 2003 pds in eb3 will have to wait for a long time.
- if you read posts on this thread, many people have posted that they feel they are being screwed by their employer or lawyer. But hardly anyone has said they took any action against it. This is also a sad reality where we as a community have failed and will continue to suffer.
** what type of action are you talking about. Who has the money to hire another lawyer to fight against these people. The only action one could have taken is to leave the company. But as a matter of fact all the desi companies are the same.
If you are talking about getting hired by big companies then tell me seriously how many companies are willing to go through the paper work and file h1-b. During the 2001 recession tell me how many big companies were hiring.
A drawback of the big companies is that if your are fired you loose your gc process, if you are working for a consulting company you have option of consulting and your greencard process is still intact.
- many folks have said that they thought they were in eb2. But found they are in eb3. This shows another weakness of our community and lack of awareness. Iv forum tries to spread the awareness but unless an individual takes initiative, they will suffer.
Many people were able to file i485 in july 2007 due to iv effort. Imagine a 2004 eb3 india person without ead today? How will he survive a job loss on h1b in a bad economy? We should take a lesson from that event and try for another big push. There is no other shortcut for us. It is shocking to find people on this thread that are in this country for more than 10 years and without a green card. These folks should be the most vocal folks in this effort.
being vocal is another story
-
more...
satish_hello
10-16 02:20 PM
Hi all,
I am planing to send letter to ombudsman for I-140 , can you some one tell where we should get sign from my employer. i mean which section Employer should sign in that form.
Can we send 7001 form without employer signature.
Thanks
I am planing to send letter to ombudsman for I-140 , can you some one tell where we should get sign from my employer. i mean which section Employer should sign in that form.
Can we send 7001 form without employer signature.
Thanks
sandy_anand
07-19 10:48 AM
My case was filed on Feb 27th. Still pending. No response from Atlanta. I have 11 more days to go and after that it doesn't matter when I get my PERM as I would be locked out for potentially 5-6 years! This system is not fair at all...if I was working in one of the western states, I could have filed even today and get certified in 2-3 days....
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ItIsNotFunny
03-12 04:47 PM
Just got the email that Card Production Ordered. I hope it means the GC has been approved. Do any of you know of any situation like this?
This is unbelievable!
Your PD is Apr 03 EB3 India and you got your GC. You won a lottery buddy. Any LUDs etc in recent past?
This is unbelievable!
Your PD is Apr 03 EB3 India and you got your GC. You won a lottery buddy. Any LUDs etc in recent past?
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vparam
09-17 08:59 PM
we are planning to start an LLC as a group of three here......one of them being in india.i was wondering about the tax issues for a member of an LLC if he is based in India.Can he get an tax identification number.thank you.
Yes you can have international partners in LLC but they also need to pay tax, Unless it is a single member LLC , when you get taxed as individual otherwise you get taxed as a corporations. I think it is better to ask an accountant on how to include the international partner
Yes you can have international partners in LLC but they also need to pay tax, Unless it is a single member LLC , when you get taxed as individual otherwise you get taxed as a corporations. I think it is better to ask an accountant on how to include the international partner
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skillet
06-26 04:27 PM
Hello,
My labor got approved today
Category: EB2
PD : Feb 5th, 2007
Wish you all the best for everyone
My labor got approved today
Category: EB2
PD : Feb 5th, 2007
Wish you all the best for everyone
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h1techSlave
08-14 01:07 PM
If we can collect some data regarding the home purchasing trends among skilled immigrants vis. their GC status, that would be great.
For example:
% of people who have a home while they are in H1B status: a%
% of people who have a home while they are in EAD status: b%
% of people who have a home while they are in GC status: c%
% of people who have a home while they are US Citizen: d%
If we can collect the data for the variables a, b, c and d and if the value of c is significantly higher than a or b, then we do have a strong case.
But how will we collect data for a, b, c and d? I do not know?
This is the third place where I am posting this ..well why not ..In my view this is worth a shot since greenspan is also talking about it.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080813/bs_nm/usa_economy_greenspan_dc
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Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan predicts U.S. house prices will begin to stabilize in the first half of next year, the Wall Street Journal reported on Wednesday.
ADVERTISEMENT
Greenspan also offered a novel suggestion to bolster the housing market -- increase the number of potential home buyers by admitting more skilled immigrants
For example:
% of people who have a home while they are in H1B status: a%
% of people who have a home while they are in EAD status: b%
% of people who have a home while they are in GC status: c%
% of people who have a home while they are US Citizen: d%
If we can collect the data for the variables a, b, c and d and if the value of c is significantly higher than a or b, then we do have a strong case.
But how will we collect data for a, b, c and d? I do not know?
This is the third place where I am posting this ..well why not ..In my view this is worth a shot since greenspan is also talking about it.
-----------
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080813/bs_nm/usa_economy_greenspan_dc
-----------
Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan predicts U.S. house prices will begin to stabilize in the first half of next year, the Wall Street Journal reported on Wednesday.
ADVERTISEMENT
Greenspan also offered a novel suggestion to bolster the housing market -- increase the number of potential home buyers by admitting more skilled immigrants
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minimalist
09-10 12:27 PM
I don't know if anybody has noticed it but the dates for EB-2 for VB October 2007 was April 1, 2004 and for VB October 2008 is April 1, 2003. That is a retrogression of 1 year - not good. :mad:
You see in the real world everything moved 1 year ahead from October 2007 to October 2008. So in USCIS world also it moved by 1year.
You see in the real world everything moved 1 year ahead from October 2007 to October 2008. So in USCIS world also it moved by 1year.
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ags123
03-07 01:36 AM
http://www.shusterman.com/
news ticker mentions Eb3 ROW and Eb3 phillipines will Retrogress by 1 year to 2004. (He mentions a phone call from Hillary, not too sure whether to believe it)
Could this be futher indication that the spill over from Eb1 and Eb4 and Eb5 will go to Eb2 India and China?
only Monday will tell... This is one nerve wracking weekend.
news ticker mentions Eb3 ROW and Eb3 phillipines will Retrogress by 1 year to 2004. (He mentions a phone call from Hillary, not too sure whether to believe it)
Could this be futher indication that the spill over from Eb1 and Eb4 and Eb5 will go to Eb2 India and China?
only Monday will tell... This is one nerve wracking weekend.
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paskal
07-11 11:33 AM
nothing will happen without extra GC numbers. we must fight for recapture and exemption. this move seems much too incredible to me. there are a few spillover numbers and a very large number of people waiting from 04-06. ther is no way these people are all (or even most) getting a GC in the short term.
we will end up seeing some random approvals and a lot of heartburn from many others. I truly wonder what is going on.....
we will end up seeing some random approvals and a lot of heartburn from many others. I truly wonder what is going on.....
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qasleuth
03-12 08:05 PM
ok...I am trying really hard to understand what you are trying to convey. What is your concern ? People will stop visiting IV and go to other websites ?
No need to be over-dramatic (did not read any one calling you a traitor). People talk about going back to their home countries too (but I actually see a small fraction of people actually doing it).
I am not sure you understand the concept of an organization offering 'services' to its members. X man hours to produce ? what are you talking about ?
My friend it is not just 'information'. Information is money. All you are talking about is 'forums/discussion boards'. I have mentioned this before as well. IV is more than a discussion board and you can make no comparison to other tracker websites.
Here is some additional info about non-profit orgs. You SHOULD read about non-profit orgs in the below link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-profit
So your definition of support is 'monetary support' only?
I am sorry for being so critical, but then someone has to.
If the idea of monetary only threads is to affirm the show of support, than am i a traitor to the greater good of retrogressed non-immigrants? This is not the right way to go.
Donors here on this very thread have already started talking about people spilling over to sites like and also if members might float other immigration websites.
why are we doing this? Why are we creating differences?
What is the Donor only thread? is it a commodity, that took 'x' man hours to produce, that you are charging money for it?
It is information. period. and as every hour passes, more organisations are providing or striving to provide information free of cost.
Also, what are we discussing in these threads, that we have to be paid members to view it?
Have you even thought about this legally?
Usually, a non-for-proft org has a fund raiser or a money raiser drive or event.
How are you even justifying asking for money to view threads, which is nothing but information that you do not own and have not worked to get it.
Believe me, this is walking on a very thin line.
No need to be over-dramatic (did not read any one calling you a traitor). People talk about going back to their home countries too (but I actually see a small fraction of people actually doing it).
I am not sure you understand the concept of an organization offering 'services' to its members. X man hours to produce ? what are you talking about ?
My friend it is not just 'information'. Information is money. All you are talking about is 'forums/discussion boards'. I have mentioned this before as well. IV is more than a discussion board and you can make no comparison to other tracker websites.
Here is some additional info about non-profit orgs. You SHOULD read about non-profit orgs in the below link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-profit
So your definition of support is 'monetary support' only?
I am sorry for being so critical, but then someone has to.
If the idea of monetary only threads is to affirm the show of support, than am i a traitor to the greater good of retrogressed non-immigrants? This is not the right way to go.
Donors here on this very thread have already started talking about people spilling over to sites like and also if members might float other immigration websites.
why are we doing this? Why are we creating differences?
What is the Donor only thread? is it a commodity, that took 'x' man hours to produce, that you are charging money for it?
It is information. period. and as every hour passes, more organisations are providing or striving to provide information free of cost.
Also, what are we discussing in these threads, that we have to be paid members to view it?
Have you even thought about this legally?
Usually, a non-for-proft org has a fund raiser or a money raiser drive or event.
How are you even justifying asking for money to view threads, which is nothing but information that you do not own and have not worked to get it.
Believe me, this is walking on a very thin line.
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aquarianf
08-26 01:25 PM
I'm looking for homeloan options in India. Which bank would be good to apply for home loans.
Was thinking about ICICI bank but got scared after going through the other thread about how ICICI bank is into stealing.
I would appreciate it if anyone can give me few suggestions on this.
Thank you.
As many members posted, avoid ICICI. When you apply for loan, they will come to you and lick your feet and will do all sorts of promise about services. But after you take loan, you won't find same level of service.
But whatever bank you decide to go with, DO NOT GIVE THEM YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER. It is not safe at all in their hand. Some banks requires SSN and some don't. ICICI requires SSN and credit report authorization. Negotiate with them. We negotiated with them and refused to give them social security number. We generated credit report ourselves and crossed out SSN and all account numbers from it properly. We did the same thing with other documents ie paystubs etc.
We have two home loans one with ICICI and another with SBI. We have better experience with SBI. My parents are power of attorney holder and they mostly deal with bank and according to them SBI is much better then ICICI do deal with locally. We have now decided to prepay our loan with ICICI in next 6 months in full.
Again remember DO NOT GIVE THEM YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER.
Was thinking about ICICI bank but got scared after going through the other thread about how ICICI bank is into stealing.
I would appreciate it if anyone can give me few suggestions on this.
Thank you.
As many members posted, avoid ICICI. When you apply for loan, they will come to you and lick your feet and will do all sorts of promise about services. But after you take loan, you won't find same level of service.
But whatever bank you decide to go with, DO NOT GIVE THEM YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER. It is not safe at all in their hand. Some banks requires SSN and some don't. ICICI requires SSN and credit report authorization. Negotiate with them. We negotiated with them and refused to give them social security number. We generated credit report ourselves and crossed out SSN and all account numbers from it properly. We did the same thing with other documents ie paystubs etc.
We have two home loans one with ICICI and another with SBI. We have better experience with SBI. My parents are power of attorney holder and they mostly deal with bank and according to them SBI is much better then ICICI do deal with locally. We have now decided to prepay our loan with ICICI in next 6 months in full.
Again remember DO NOT GIVE THEM YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER.
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texanmom
09-12 04:11 PM
Or do you need us to write to each of them?
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WAIT_FOR_EVER_GC
09-01 03:24 PM
Glad to see there are people like me on this thread. I came to the US in FEB 1995 as an undergrad. I have an MS today and dropped out of the PHD program (2000) to find a job because of recessions. Survived 3 top-notch companies, recessions, despicable back-stabbing coworkers, unethical and unworkable environment, lay-offs, legal dept messing up my H1b application making me go on unpaid leave (~3wks) without health insurance, filing me under EB3 while applying EB2 for another coworker from a diff country with the same job title, etc etc....my rear end is pretty soar these days and I am beginning to question all this....
i usually dont post much...but I couldnt resist this thread
It will take another 9-10 years to get your GC if the system remains the same.
Please upgrade to EB2
i usually dont post much...but I couldnt resist this thread
It will take another 9-10 years to get your GC if the system remains the same.
Please upgrade to EB2
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nandini
09-06 09:29 AM
15 years and 2 months. Arrived in US in June 1995. Includes 6 years on J1 and 9 years on H1. Been thru all possible problems-employer closing shop in the middle of waiver, scrambling to find another waiver position, labor stuck in back log , lost priority date, new PERM and labor from 2006 and then applied 485 in july 2007 .
I made a lot of mistakes, lost opportunities but there there were a lot of things beyond my control...
Received approval email on 9/4/2010
I made a lot of mistakes, lost opportunities but there there were a lot of things beyond my control...
Received approval email on 9/4/2010
ragz4u
03-08 01:05 PM
Try again, I was able to get connected again.
The hearings have still not started, just background noise of a lot of folks in the room.
The hearings have still not started, just background noise of a lot of folks in the room.
ramus
07-18 02:19 PM
Lets keep working on this thread... We had 5000 new members joined IV.. Now we know what IV can do and is capable of doing.
Now IV has delivered and its our time to deliver.
Lets keep this thread alive...
Everybody do 2 important things.
1) Make recurring contributiong.
2) Ask other to do it now.
Thank you all.
Now IV has delivered and its our time to deliver.
Lets keep this thread alive...
Everybody do 2 important things.
1) Make recurring contributiong.
2) Ask other to do it now.
Thank you all.
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